Tolerant Loving People Who Are Celebrating the Death of Jerry Falwell
I was shocked and saddened today to learn of the death of Rev. Jerry Falwell. Though I have been very critical of some of Falwell's politics and theological positions, I nevertheless always considered him a brother in Christ. While I did not care at all for his dispensationalism, his hawkishness on foreign policy, and his apologetics for the Bush administration, he has done a number of good things over the years and certainly has impacted many people for the gospel of Jesus Christ. I never knew Falwell personally aside from a couple brief encounters. But I am always sad at any loss of life, especially when it is unexpected. I believe that Falwell is with the Lord. Whatever his faults were, I have no reason to question his salvation. But my real reason for this post is to respond to what others are saying about his death. When I heard the news, I immediately said to myself, "I bet some on the hard left are celebrating." And indeed a cursory blog search indicated this to be exactly the case.
The comments I've read from anti-Falwell types have been disgusting and heartless. Celebrate the death of a man because you disagreed with some of his opinions and political activism? The most passionate anti-Falwell types hated him because he did not support homosexual behavior and because he was anti-abortion. This alone makes someone a hateful, worthless bigot according to the hard left. But let's just say for a moment that Falwell is a bad as these folks claim. How does celebrating his death and laughing about such a tragedy make his critics any better? In fact, it arguably makes them much worse. I cannot recall the time I read about Falwell making statements where he laughed off or celebrated the death of a gay person, though his disagreements with their beliefs were just as passionate as their disagreements with his. Of course in political debate, some folks on all sides of the spectrum are able to dehumanize anyone who disagrees with them. Therefore, who cares about the people close to Falwell, his family and friends who are grieving, and who cares about the loss of life. Ding-dong the bigot is dead. That's all that matters.
I'll leave you with a link to this particular blog which "sheds no tears" over Falwell's death. Read the comments on this blog post and read through the loving comments left by those who celebrate death. This is coming from the same crowd no doubt that pats itself on the back for being so much more tolerant than people like Falwell: http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2007/05/jerry-falwell-dead.html
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Hey, Bill!
How many gay kids do you think killed themselves because they believed Falwell's continuous commentary that they were bound for eternal hellfire? How many people with AIDS had their suffering exponentially increased because their families believed Falwell's preaching that they had earned "God's just punishment"? How many women died from botched abortions because Falwell thwarted their access to birth control? How many thousands of children languish in poverty, unadopted and unloved, because Falwell worked against the right of gay people to adopt? How many gay people are beaten and murdered every year because violent homophobes took their cues from Falwell? And how many of their attackers eluded true justice because Falwell successfully lobbied against the enactment and enforcement of hate crimes laws?
You are right. I don't lament the demise of a loathesome evil man who so successfully inflicted real physical and emotional harm on the nation. If I believed in hell, I'd say that I hope he rots there. But since I don't, all I have is the solace that his vile life is ended.
Unfortunately, however, there remains an army of zealots, trained by Falwell's Gestapo University, eager to inflict their personal vision of how Americans should live, pray, and hate. Freedom OF religion also means freedom FROM religion, but that's something Falwell and his ilk happily work to end.
But things ARE looking up for America. Falwell: dead. Dobson: silenced. Robertson: irrelevant. To reference the story of Daniel: the handwriting is on the wall. And like today's news, that indeed is a good thing.
He died a man; but he lived a monster.
I would offer condolences to his family, but they are worth hundreds of millions of dollars. They don't need it. They will spend the rest of their lives sating their greed and their lusts using that hoard which he gathered through his immoral predation. They won't come to me for my kind feelings about the departed.
I'm saving my kind feeling for Mr. Falwell's victims who have survived him. They still suffer.
We have an obligation to tell the truth about this man.
Sorry, I really don't think any gay kids killed themselves because of Jerry Falwell's opinions, or that there are Evangelical church goers bashing gays on Falwell's cues. And come on, Gestapo University? I know enough people who have went to Liberty University and all of them have been good people. Your statements are blowing things out of proportion to say the least. And even assuming everything you two guys say is true, none of it justifies responding with the same kind of ugliness. Sorry, two wrongs don't make a right.
Bill, I understand your charity towards Falwell and his legacy. But I am 47 years old and I have been on the frontlines of the world that Falwell attacked for the last 30 years. Perhaps you are too young or too removed from my experiences to fully comprehend the real damage that Falwell caused.
I don't doubt that there are many good people coming out of Liberty University. But for 30 years I've seen the results of Falwell's vision for America. The future will not treat him kindly.
Prov. 24:17 Do not gloat when your enemy falls; when he stumbles, do not let your heart rejoice,
Prov. 24:18 or the LORD will see and disapprove and turn his wrath away from him.
Prov. 24:19 Do not fret because of evil men or be envious of the wicked,
Prov. 24:20 for the evil man has no future hope, and the lamp of the wicked will be snuffed out.
Positive Dennis
De mortuis nil nisi bonum.
I'll bite, Bartleby.
He's dead. Good.
And Joe, you've demonstrated more "hate" towards Falwell than he ever extended towards gays. Falwell didn't ever cheer the death of gays or leftists, but plenty of leftists are apparently cheering the death of Falwell.
On-line you can always find someone to build into a straw man.
I agree with you that celebrating someone dying is not good, but have you ever read any of Anne Coulter's stuff? She's a best selling author and does this sort of thing all the time. Everyone has a blog now a days. Thats just part of the game. But there is a real, difference between some schlub like me (a Middle School teacher) and you (some preacher) posting something outrageous and someone like Anne Coulter talking about poisoning Supreme Court Justices or assassinating President Clinton. The "Right" simply buys more of her books. When you find some dweeb out there who gets 15 hits a day on his blog, you can build him into a straw man spokesman for the "hard left." By the way, I am not familiar with the "hard left."
Thanks for introducing me to that term.
Oddly enough, one of the people who is not celebrating Jerry Falwell's death is Larry Flynt, who said:
"My mother always told me that no matter how much you dislike a person, when you meet them face to face you will find characteristics about them that you like. Jerry Falwell was a perfect example of that. I hated everything he stood for, but after meeting him in person, years after the trial, Jerry Falwell and I became good friends. He would visit me in California and we would debate together on college campuses. I always appreciated his sincerity even though I knew what he was selling and he knew what I was selling."
I want to express my sincere sympathy to the Falwell family. I am appalled at the cruel comments that I have seen.
Having said that, I do disagree with many of his political views.
Over the last several months I worked on an essay called _How the Bush Administration is Destroying Our Country and Damaging the Christian Church_ and you can see it at http://www.alicelillieandher.blogspot.com
When a hate-filled man dies, it's worth celebrating. People celebrated both the end of WW2 and Hitler's suicide. There truly is nothing wrong at all with calling someone what he or she is even after death. And there's nothing wrong with thinking that the world is a better place because there's one less hatemonger around.
Falwell NEVER REALLY apologized for his blaming of 9/11 on gays, abortion, civil libertarians, etc. He just stammered a bit because he found out just how many people are intolerant of his intolerance--and especially of him making such an asinine statement. Further, his anti-jewish streak shone through in 1999 when he said that the antichrist was alive, well, and of course, jewish (reference: http://www.adl.org/PresRele/asus_12/3311_12.asp ). I say good riddance to having such a man on this planet.
And before people think I'm some "hard leftist"--I'm an anarchocapitalist of the Rothbardian-Hoppeian vein.
Bill, you are wrong.
Falwell DID cheer the deaths of people with AIDS, saying it was the punishment of a "just God." How is exulting in God's punishment to others not "cheering"?
Around 1988, a friend of mine in Florida died a lonely, horrible death of AIDS after his family (members of Falwell's church) shunned him, citing Falwell's words. After my friend died, his family donated a large chunk of his estate (mostly from the sale of his home) to Falwell ministries.
When the end was near,my friend never was allowed to speak to or say goodbye to his parents. His brother told him on the phone that he was "reaping what he sowed." And then he mailed my friend a package of brochures from Falwell Ministries. THAT is the legacy of Jerry Falwell. And you're right, I hate him for that.
Alex was cremated by his Florida friends. His ashes were scattered at Pas-A-Grill beach off St. Petersburg. No family members attended. THEY were in Fort Lauderdale clearing out his house.
You know, a number of people have written me with this same analogy (Hitler = Falwell) and I think it is utterly ridiculous. Even mentioning the two in the same sentence is silly. One guy approved the deaths of millions and the other one was a vocal opponent of gay rights and supported a Christian Right agenda. While I don't support everything in what is apparently included in that agenda, especially on matters of foreign policy and dispensationalism--and I've been very critical of Falwell's militarism--it's nonsense to make him out to be this evil monster with no redeeming qualities.
Yeah, Bill, there have been a lot of evil people in the world with some redeeming qualities -- even many churchgoing believers.
I'm sure it can be corroborated that many Nazis were very nice and family-oriented... to people who weren't Jews, or Gypsies, or Gays, or Catholics, or Poles, or in the Resistance, or [fill in the blank]. And they didn't all personally kill those people, or shovel them into the ovens. Yet...
What is your point?
Feel free to continue being an apologist for someone who says something as evil, hateful, and ignorant as AIDS is "God's punishment for homosexuals."
Again, the Falwell = Nazi's sentiments are ridiculous and don't merit honest discussion. Also to say I've been an "apologist" for Falwell is also untrue. I've been critical numerous times in various venues of some of his beliefs. See my piece in the American Conservative from Oct. where I rebuked Falwell's hawkishness on foreign policy. But all that said, none of it justifies the evil things being said about the man, mainly because his views weren't in sync with social leftists.
Bill you seem to underestimate the pain and grief that Falwells comments caused millions of people and the sheer impact his words caused these same people. You disagreed with some of his political views? I would hope so.
Falwell didnt just oppose gay rights.
"AIDS is God's punishment to gays."
If that sentance dosent imply hate i dont know what does. So yes people are going to celibrate the death of somone who celibrated there own. Sucks to be him.
As for his family? what about the familys of the people who were effected by his hatefull remarks? M
I think Falwell became his own worst enemy with the comments he made in his later years.
He never expressed true contrition for the outrageous statement he made about the 9/11 attacks, nor for the earlier remarks "AIDS is God's punishment".
Not to mention the bizarre "Clinton Chronicles" he produced and sold for profit.
I always wondered why the late pastor of our church hammered the "don't rest on your laurels" message in his sermons.
Regardless of what Falwell did in his earlier years he has been an embarrassment to evangelicals over at least the last 20 years as a result of his ridiculous, un-Scriptual pronouncements.
Sadly, he'll be best remembered for those foot-in-mouth statements, not his sermons or his books.
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